[xorbe]

My local dealer is getting 4, and the bikes are coming in monthly for them, current ETAs: April, May, June, July. Only 2 remain unspoken for already.

 

[RD52]

Yep, but the ad revenue probably keeps the forum membership free. How active would a paid forum be?

I don't know about this forum specifically, but I was on others that subsequently got bought out by VS. They were free before VS got involved, and had far less intrusive ads to boot.

 

[ME-Motorsports]

For those interested, the owners manual has been put up online on Kawasaki's website:
Kawasaki

I am working on putting it all in a single PDF

 

[sbk1198]

For those interested, the owners manual has been put up online on Kawasaki's website:
Kawasaki

I am working on putting it all in a single PDF

Owner's manuals are always easy to get. What about a service manual? You got access to one of those in PDF? lol I'm also looking for an R7 service manual now in PDF and can't find one anywhere.

 

[xorbe]

And what’s really scary is if you read the description of the clutch it sound suspiciously just like the N400. 😳

Kawasaki UK info also stated the 6 gear ratios to be identical to the N400 (primary / secondary / sprockets different though).

I see you lurking there in the shadows, Ken808! (Not sure why your first 2 posts are currently hidden.)

 

[ME-Motorsports]

Owner's manuals are always easy to get. What about a service manual? You got access to one of those in PDF? lol I'm also looking for an R7 service manual now in PDF and can't find one anywhere.

Yep, I know - but it was recently added today and I didn't see anyone else mention it so I posted it on Reddit and here.

The service manual part number isn't in the dealer network yet. I will continue to check as time goes on. Even then when the one they have listed does, it will likely change. This has happened on the last Kawi's I've purchased brand new; 19 H2, 20 Z H2, 21 Ultra 310LX and 22 H2 SX all had their service manual part numbers listed, but changed prior to release and being added to the dealer network. So as soon as I see the part number change then it likely means its ready to go and order and will get one on order.

R7 manual... I may have one, will check later.

 

[xorbe]

US spec ZX4RR registered as 56 hp, suggesting same 11,500 cap as Canada. Do we lament flashing, or celebrate possibly lower insurance costs.

How Much Power Does The 2023 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR Make?

If the idea of a high-revving 399cc four-cylinder piques your interest, you may be disappointed by the power output of the US-spec Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR.

www.motorcycle.com

 

[Pmack]

US spec ZX4RR registered as 56 hp, suggesting same 11,500 cap as Canada. Do we lament flashing, or celebrate possibly lower insurance costs.

How Much Power Does The 2023 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR Make?

If the idea of a high-revving 399cc four-cylinder piques your interest, you may be disappointed by the power output of the US-spec Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR.

www.motorcycle.com

This is going to be an "oh sh*t" moment for Kawi if it is true.
I will tell them to keep my money, and shove it so far up their tail section, that they can taste it.
If I am paying a lot more than Canada is that is my expectation, about 20hp worth.
I own 5 Kawasaki's right now, will own a 6th tomorrow, and will never own another if this happens.
If any one has close ties to a Kawi dealer or rep, share my thoughts with them freely.

 

[Boomerlcd]

An ECU flash on a brand new bike always makes me feel queezy. Some folks dont care about warranties, I do. I havent and wont flash anything until the bike is out of warranty. Just giving the manufacturer/dealer fuel to deny a repair as i see it. All this being said.... I hope this lil monster gets its full rpm range so peeps wont have to either ride it in limp mode for a year or so or risk a warranty issue with a flashed ECU. For the price its being offered at...it should be perfect out of the box. Still cant wait to see one in the flesh.

 

[ME-Motorsports]

risk a warranty issue with a flashed ECU

These ECUs use the same platform as the new ZX-10R, Z H2, Versys 1000, ZX-25R/RR and Ninja 1000. Those ECUs, can easily be rolled back to stock form, before going to the dealership and appear genuine and identical to the ECU it left the factory. Hard not to when every '1' and '0' is in the same address it was when it left the factory. ;o)

When you get the bike back, you can simply dump back in your mapping by loading up the saved file and writing the ECU again.

 

[ME-Motorsports]

This is going to be an "oh sh*t" moment for Kawi if it is true.

Kawi just has to follow the rules of the land where it is releasing the bikes at.

If any one has close ties to a Kawi dealer or rep, share my thoughts with them freely.

Your thoughts and feelings should be directed at your local, regional, state and federal politicians - not the manufacturer. The government is what is enacting the rules that the manufacturers have to play by, not Kawasaki, Suzuki or any other OEM.

Big K isn't going to 'buck' the system, flip a bird to everyone and release bikes that don't pass emissions/regulations - that would impose a charge for each motorcycle it produces and releases in said country. Big way to wipe out any annual profits. They have no say in it - kind of like being in the military and having to be told to shut up and color.


Again - even if this is the case, easy enough to fix with a reflash of the ECU - which will be available shortly after people start getting these. As soon as I get mine, the first thing being done is reading out the ECU so we can add it to our tuning software.

 

[NinjaRider]

US spec ZX4RR registered as 56 hp, suggesting same 11,500 cap as Canada. Do we lament flashing, or celebrate possibly lower insurance costs.

How Much Power Does The 2023 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR Make?

If the idea of a high-revving 399cc four-cylinder piques your interest, you may be disappointed by the power output of the US-spec Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR.

www.motorcycle.com

Wow so only about 7hp more than the n400. Wonder what the torque is at.

 

[sbk1198]

US spec ZX4RR registered as 56 hp, suggesting same 11,500 cap as Canada. Do we lament flashing, or celebrate possibly lower insurance costs.

How Much Power Does The 2023 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR Make?

If the idea of a high-revving 399cc four-cylinder piques your interest, you may be disappointed by the power output of the US-spec Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR.

www.motorcycle.com

This is going to be an "oh sh*t" moment for Kawi if it is true.
I will tell them to keep my money, and shove it so far up their tail section, that they can taste it.
If I am paying a lot more than Canada is that is my expectation, about 20hp worth.
I own 5 Kawasaki's right now, will own a 6th tomorrow, and will never own another if this happens.
If any one has close ties to a Kawi dealer or rep, share my thoughts with them freely.

First off, I don't really believe those numbers. But even if true, I wouldn't worry about it. Nothing an ECU flash won't be able to fix. From a professional/business stand point, I actually wouldn't mind it if that was the case because I'll develop a flash for it ASAP after we get one and have something to sell But I highly doubt the US is going to be restricted like that. Usually the bigger restrictions are in Australia, and parts of Europe.

An ECU flash on a brand new bike always makes me feel queezy. Some folks dont care about warranties, I do. I havent and wont flash anything until the bike is out of warranty. Just giving the manufacturer/dealer fuel to deny a repair as i see it. All this being said.... I hope this lil monster gets its full rpm range so peeps wont have to either ride it in limp mode for a year or so or risk a warranty issue with a flashed ECU. For the price its being offered at...it should be perfect out of the box. Still cant wait to see one in the flesh.

You can always switch it back to stock and they would never know. Not sure how Kawasaki handles things because every manufacturers deals with warranties differently, but normally it wouldn't be an automatic rejection just because you have a flashed ECU. It would have to be something that's directly affected by the ECU, then they could say no because your ECU isn't stock anymore. But if something fails that's totally unrelated to the ECU it wouldn't be a problem. Also...good reason to start doing your own work on bikes. I haven't taken a bike to a dealer in probably close to 10 years. I'd rather just get the parts and fix it myself. I've known a few mechanics that worked at motorcycle dealerships and all I can say is that I trust myself more than most of them!

 

[sbk1198]

Again - even if this is the case, easy enough to fix with a reflash of the ECU - which will be available shortly after people start getting these. As soon as I get mine, the first thing being done is reading out the ECU so we can add it to our tuning software.

I think I'm just now realizing who this is...ME-Motorsports as in Modified Electronics? As in the Woolich distributor?

 

[ME-Motorsports]

As in the Woolich distributor?

 

[GUWOP]

Just gonna leave these here.

 

[Boomerlcd]

yall are doing a terrible job of making me not want one....

 

[misnblu]

So to be clear on this flashing the ecu and returning it to factory spec when taking it to the dealer for warranty how is it not like an auto ecu that even though it's been put back to OEM spec the dot can tell it's been reverted to OEM?🤨🧐

In Commiefornia they've enacted legislations to fine tuning shops for changing a cars tune AND reverting it back.
They can read auto ecu's and see what's been changed.

Will this be the case for the new ecu's on these bikes and are the dealerships capable to have the equipment to be able to do so?

This is a question that's not been asked so Inthiught I'd throw this to those here that have knowledge and shops doing flash tunes. 👍

 

[Scook2397]

SO once again...which VENDOR on this site will Grey Market in the KOVE 400?

 

[ME-Motorsports]

So to be clear on this flashing the ecu and returning it to factory spec when taking it to the dealer for warranty how is it not like an auto ecu that even though it's been put back to OEM spec the dot can tell it's been reverted to OEM?🤨🧐

It all depends on how the ECU is programmed (sorry, edit... and designed) by the OEM and/or how the ECU is written.

But on many models, there is no flash counter inside the ECU or the way they are being updated doesn't trip the flash counter.