Sounds about right to me. What kind of sag numbers are you seeing? I'm about 185 without gear (leathers, helmet etc...) and saw right at 20mm loaded with a cold shock and rebound & comp set in middle.
Ok, shame on me, I know that is the very first thing I should do, but I have not.
I only weigh about 150-155 without gear.
I do not have anyone to really help me.......but maybe its time my 14 year old son learns, he does good with most stuff, but this one, and my OCD I will need grace and patience if he does it any different than I would want. Lol I am not that hard to live with....I think.
I believe we can swap out springs ourselves. Just need to buy those spring compressor thingys on eBay.
I would think so, appears to just be a Showa 40mm shock
Yeah, I made my own fork compression tool like the Race Tech one(for tearing down the inverted forks), but even better in my opinion. I fabricated, measured and welded it all up myself and powder coated it.
I will have to look at the spring tool for shocks and maybe do the same thing
With back end 5mm up may need? to lower tubes in triples to raise the front end? My GSX-R has been raised on both ends with fork extenders & a Penske shock. I do agree with you that the back end feels much firmer & taller. Maybe not as much sag as compared to OEM? ?Did you state that the OEM GSX-R shock is height adjustable?
Edit - correction: With back up, stock up front might be good, but I left mine dropped 4.35mm up front.
I also drained the fluid out and added 15w or 20w fluid up front and an extra +20mm fluid. Also installed preload adjusters. I will need to check my documentation on this as well. I know this is "not" cartridges and springs, but its better than stock.
Edit- more I thought of: Something else to consider is if you remove the stock clipons, and mount clip-ons underneath the triples you have way more fork to work with, that would give us alot of extra room to raise the front end, and you can get clip ons with risers to move them up further mounted underneath top triple. But I think stock height or even dropped 5mm is all the room we need.
yep, its not an easy, twist this knob, adjustment like a K-Tech or Ohlins, but yes you can adjust the rear shock height on a GSX-R. The upper shock mount has a nut with some threads, I know you used to be able shim/washer stack those puppies some and get 3-6mm out of that raising up the back end some?
Can you still do that with these on the GSX-R 600/750???
My only concern now is that even with the K-Tech springs 80/85 in the forks the front end still needs better internals/carts to deal with the firmer shock. Im not ready to shell out $1k yet for Ohlins or K-Tech etc.... carts. I would probably chat with Matt Patton. My carts in my GSX-R are stock and are fine for my level (intermediate) at the track. He uses GSX-R carts in his retro fits.
We just need to get this shock in front of a suspension guy to see if the OEM springs etc... are not compatible.
I will prob be at Pocono in a week or so and then hopefully NJMP the following weekend. Pocono will prob have NO suspension guy but NJMP should but he runs the show (Mark-Markbilt). I have my clutch out now and I did replace the shift shaft oil seal. Barnett springs & the SPEARS bits n' bobs going in. That shift adj kit REALLY tightens up that shift shaft slop.
Right I rode mine today to work, roughly 52 miles, and it's way better for handling. It feels planted way more, more precise and re-active.
Is it stiff, and can I feel every bump and imperfection in the road? Uhh, yeah pretty much...a yes.
Do I like it? Yes
Will my neck and lower back like it? Pretty dang sure a resounding nope on that one.
But, I can tell a difference. It seems to drive harder out of the corners, more planted and less squat.
Feels to me more agile, and maybe its just my mind dealing with the stiffer shock.
Also I have a bad habit I formed many years ago of weaving back and forth in the lane, scrubbing tires in or preventing "table tops" down the middle of the tire wear on long straight rides, like interstates, highways.(talking 1993 when I started that and first started riding on the street, stories about riding with old guy veterans that said to do it, scrub the dust and oil/etc. off the tires urban myths, etc.)
I do this safely. I also know this does not heat up the tires any, as motorcycle tires do not behave the same way as car tires do and F1, GT, etc. so scrubbing to keep heat in them, back and forth motion would not.
But I can tell it no longer squats or squishes the back end feeling all loosey/goosey, noodley out back anymore. I mean it was not horrible before like the 05 Ninja 250 was, but I could definitely feel it.
Also I will know on the ride home for sure, but again drive through the corners feels better. The back end before on hard drives and hard accel felt like the tire was breaking loose or greasy sometimes before, which I do not think it was. Cause now more swingarm angle should make it break loose more than squat would, who knows, I will know for sure later.
I messed with all the setting, pre-load ( I thought the way it came was way too pre-loaded for my weight), low and high speed compression, rebound (lower mount I think is way off) cause I did it in a hurry in the driveway as I was leaving this morning and I get my adjustments mixed up sometimes. I thought clockwise was all the way in soft, and then you turn towards hard X amount of turns. But the darn embossed shows the direction arrows, as I read them the opposite, so not sure where it is right now, lol
I also would like to do carts up front, but not sure myself either on investing and since most have you cutting the fork tubes, not committed to that kind of tear down and work right now...sounds like a winter job for me.
I am anxious to hear what the suspension experts and race setup says/shows to see what we have.