Cant decide on frame sliders for n400

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Nick Carp

Discussion Starter · 2 mo ago

Hello everyone, first post on this forum, got a question for yall. Just got my first bike (2023 n400). Im wanting to fully deck out on axle sliders ,bar end sliders, frame sliders and whatever else I can find, (covers too). I just cant decide on the frame sliders, I have 3 choices and Im hoping anyone else has any opinions on them. TST Industries is one of my 3 options, with looking the best on the bike itself but also personally feels its inside to much so as if it wasnt going to do much to protect. Next option is Evotech, personally think this looks the highest quality but no idea on if it performs better. And finally the T-Rex sliders, with the "least" favorite design as in by their own pictures, but also sticks out the most which I personally mostly like. Its really hard to decide as I would go with T-rex for it to shoot out, I also hear that sliders that stick out more can cause more damage to the bike when it falls and slides through grass causing it to flip much easier. My bad to, forgot to mention it'd be mainly a street weekend fun or something idk, no plans on track riding at this time. Any help is appreciated as I got it a few days ago and already hit a curb practicing because I pulled the throttle when trying to brake and panicked so I forgot to pull the clutch in. Also looked straight at the curb, worst idea. Early thanks to everyone, and if anyone has any suggestions for bar end, axle sliders and other protection, that help too. Thanks!

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sbk1198

· #2 · 2 mo ago

Nick Carp said:
Hello everyone, first post on this forum, got a question for yall. Just got my first bike (2023 n400). Im wanting to fully deck out on axle sliders ,bar end sliders, frame sliders and whatever else I can find, (covers too). I just cant decide on the frame sliders, I have 3 choices and Im hoping anyone else has any opinions on them. TST Industries is one of my 3 options, with looking the best on the bike itself but also personally feels its inside to much so as if it wasnt going to do much to protect. Next option is Evotech, personally think this looks the highest quality but no idea on if it performs better. And finally the T-Rex sliders, with the "least" favorite design as in by their own pictures, but also sticks out the most which I personally mostly like. Its really hard to decide as I would go with T-rex for it to shoot out, I also hear that sliders that stick out more can cause more damage to the bike when it falls and slides through grass causing it to flip much easier. My bad to, forgot to mention it'd be mainly a street weekend fun or something idk, no plans on track riding at this time. Any help is appreciated as I got it a few days ago and already hit a curb practicing because I pulled the throttle when trying to brake and panicked so I forgot to pull the clutch in. Also looked straight at the curb, worst idea. Early thanks to everyone, and if anyone has any suggestions for bar end, axle sliders and other protection, that help too. Thanks!

TST. The bracket mounts in 2 points unlike other frame sliders, which mean more rigidity in the case of a crash. Keep in mind they are called "frame sliders" for a reason. They are not meant to save your fairings, but the more important parts like frame, engine, etc. The more they stick out, the more chance for them to catch on something and flip your bike over. Really long frame sliders are only useful if you drop your bike while it's not moving, but in a speed crash they have more chance of breaking or causing more damage to your bike. Also TST has a total protection package, so you can get frame sliders, and axle sliders (Front and Rear) with a bit of a package discount.

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Nick Carp

Discussion Starter · #3 · 2 mo ago

sbk1198 said:
TST. The bracket mounts in 2 points unlike other frame sliders, which mean more rigidity in the case of a crash. Keep in mind they are called "frame sliders" for a reason. They are not meant to save your fairings, but the more important parts like frame, engine, etc. The more they stick out, the more chance for them to catch on something and flip your bike over. Really long frame sliders are only useful if you drop your bike while it's not moving, but in a speed crash they have more chance of breaking or causing more damage to your bike. Also TST has a total protection package, so you can get frame sliders, and axle sliders (Front and Rear) with a bit of a package discount.

Thanks so much! I noticed here TST Total Protection Pack | Kawaaski Ninja 400 2018+ on the website for the swingarm protection, whats the difference between Anodized spools and Derlin Spool Sliders? Any particular one I should go with? Also again thanks so much!

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Pmack

· #4 · 2 mo ago

Just FYI, @sbk1198 is likely biased towards TST products because he works there.
Just because he is biased, doesn't mean the product isn't awesome!

I am a bit biased towards TST too, because I have spent a lot of money with them, and the products and customer service are on point, IMHO.

The TST total protection pack is a good option IMHO. Anodized aluminum spools are likely more durable, but Delrin likely slides better and transmits less force to the motorcycle in a crash. I would go with the Delrin.
If you are trying to protect body work in a crash, you could go with something that protrudes more, but I have never seen any bike go down without some bodywork/foot peg/handlebar damage.
That is reality.
If you crash, you buy parts. If you crash without protection, you likely buy more parts.

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misnblu

· #5 · 2 mo ago

Nick Carp said:
Thanks so much! I noticed here TST Total Protection Pack | Kawaaski Ninja 400 2018+ on the website for the swingarm protection, whats the difference between Anodized spools and Derlin Spool Sliders? Any particular one I should go with? Also again thanks so much!

The Delrin rear spools will slide and sacrifice themselves in a slide whereas aluminum spools will grab and possibly break the spool mounting bung.

After my crash at CMP track I found this out as the aluminum spool was mangled including the bolt. I was lucky to be able to reuse the spool bung and now using WoodCraft rear spools made of Delrin.

TST and see the pics below for why.
Frame sliders and front axle sliders are replaceable from TST with no removal of fairing or front axle to replace. 👍

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Minimal damage to the fairings and the rear spool is a Driven product with replaceable puck as well with no removal of axle. 👍

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NinjaBraap

· #6 · 2 mo ago

Personally recommend these:

Woodcraft Street (No Cut) Frame Slider Kit – Kawasaki Ninja 400 / Z400

Have seen these crash multiple times, just replace the puck and keep going.

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NinjaBird

· #7 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

I have a set of the OEM sliders I will GIVE you if you pay shipping. See my writeup. They would be great with the proper direct bolt... In the end, with sliders, the best option is the one that is direct to the engine bolt. The only ones I see are the Woodcraft race sliders. See my post on these. I use em and love em. The TST seems best two point bomber setup. Still gives leverage in a crash. The Woodcraft race ones are direct to the engine bolt. Best transfer of crash energy. Yes, it requires cutting your fairings. Oh dear. Oh no.

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sbk1198

· #8 · 2 mo ago

Nick Carp said:
Thanks so much! I noticed here TST Total Protection Pack | Kawaaski Ninja 400 2018+ on the website for the swingarm protection, whats the difference between Anodized spools and Derlin Spool Sliders? Any particular one I should go with? Also again thanks so much!

In addition to what was already said, the Delrin ones (polymer) are bigger/bulkier than the aluminum ones. A lot of it comes down to personal preference. Over the years I've used both types, and I've broken both types.

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Nick Carp

Discussion Starter · #9 · 2 mo ago

NinjaBraap said:
Personally recommend these:

Woodcraft Street (No Cut) Frame Slider Kit – Kawasaki Ninja 400 / Z400

Have seen these crash multiple times, just replace the puck and keep going.

See I would, I've been looking into these, but I dont like the fact they only mount on one part, I like the part where it mounts in 2 areas so its more "secure" if it makes any sense. though do woodcraft like torque to a certain spec? or anyhting

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· #10 · 2 mo ago

misnblu said:
The Delrin rear spools will slide and sacrifice themselves in a slide whereas aluminum spools will grab and possibly break the spool mounting bung.

After my crash at CMP track I found this out as the aluminum spool was mangled including the bolt. I was lucky to be able to reuse the spool bung and now using WoodCraft rear spools made of Delrin.

TST and see the pics below for why.
Frame sliders and front axle sliders are replaceable from TST with no removal of fairing or front axle to replace. 👍

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Minimal damage to the fairings and the rear spool is a Driven product with replaceable puck as well with no removal of axle. 👍

Good point on the sliders. My back ones are aluminum by default. I didn't realize the dual purpose when I bought them, since I was just using them as spools to raise the bike up and then later realized they are sliders as well.

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rblcourt

· #11 · 13 d ago

Nick Carp said:
Hello everyone, first post on this forum, got a question for yall. Just got my first bike (2023 n400). Im wanting to fully deck out on axle sliders ,bar end sliders, frame sliders and whatever else I can find, (covers too). I just cant decide on the frame sliders, I have 3 choices and Im hoping anyone else has any opinions on them. TST Industries is one of my 3 options, with looking the best on the bike itself but also personally feels its inside to much so as if it wasnt going to do much to protect. Next option is Evotech, personally think this looks the highest quality but no idea on if it performs better. And finally the T-Rex sliders, with the "least" favorite design as in by their own pictures, but also sticks out the most which I personally mostly like. Its really hard to decide as I would go with T-rex for it to shoot out, I also hear that sliders that stick out more can cause more damage to the bike when it falls and slides through grass causing it to flip much easier. My bad to, forgot to mention it'd be mainly a street weekend fun or something idk, no plans on track riding at this time. Any help is appreciated as I got it a few days ago and already hit a curb practicing because I pulled the throttle when trying to brake and panicked so I forgot to pull the clutch in. Also looked straight at the curb, worst idea. Early thanks to everyone, and if anyone has any suggestions for bar end, axle sliders and other protection, that help too. Thanks!

Had a similar question. I am looking at getting r&g sliders for my ninja. I will be using it for street riding, track days and possibly amateur racing. Not sure whether to get drilled type or non drilled type. Could someone please explain the difference and pros and cons.
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NinjaBird

· #12 · 13 d ago

Drill em! Drill type are NOT just for the track as marketing leads you to believe. All sliders can be used on the street. Ignore any “race only” notices. It is really “drill” or “no drill”. Drill is always going to be better as it is a straight direct bolt to the frame/engine mount. The ONLY reason to not get direct is if you really want to keep your fairing 100%. ANY offset will give leverage in a crash and have a higher risk of failure and damage. So. if you are going to take it to the track, get straight bolts and cut your fairing I also think it makes it look even better. A dremel is all you need.

I am also a Woodcraft fan. Compare how they mount as opposed to the R&G. think about when you grind one down in a slide and how hard/easy it will be to remove and replace. Seems to me Woodcraft has thought this through a little better than most.

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